Peter-Vincent Schuld

Recently, we brought together the factual story about online glorification of the Holocaust by Muslims living in the Netherlands and Belgium in the Facebook group Multiculturals 4g+. A story full of perceived hatred and insane murderous intent.

Numerous mainly Muslim members of the Facebook group Multiculturals 4G+ continued to spew violence and murder lute even after our earlier story. Not just about Jewish people. But what we found over the course of the days defies anyone’s imagination. Before we deal with the facts in this piece, the editors of Facts Found consider the following to be provided with an editorial commentary;

The editors of Facts Found have made observations that the editors find shocking. The editors of Facts Found have carefully weighed these observations and have come to the conclusion that these observations are so serious that it is part of the journalistic duty to publish these observations in accordance with journalistic principles.

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It starts last Saturday evening, December 30th. We received a message that in the Facebook group Multiculturals gathered 4G+ a person with the name (presumably pseudonym) Said El Allouchi makes an announcement that he intends to commit a life crime.

Said El Allouchi says “I’m going to stab someone tonight, are you coming or I’m fucking cancer kechies” (Arabic for whore, ed.).
and he continues: “I’m going to stab someone now”, “I’m going to take someone to hell”, “2018 in prison”. This “Said” continues to reveal his bloodthirsty murder plans. Almost exclusively women go against the online murder announcements and turn out not to like it. A lady named Umayma Lhad Rhoadi retorts firmly and replies “go rinse your mouth”, Soukaine Ab replies “count to 10”, while respondent “Kaatje communicates the Key “hahaha crazy in your head”.

Who is this Said El Allouchi? Where does this man live? The search options mention numerous profiles with similar names. Should we take his announcement seriously? Kaatje de Sleutel replies “Where can I send the police?” Said replies “Send army”. Said depicts himself in a photo wearing a camouflage army jacket. The face shown shows few signs of any humanity. As his profile picture, he uses an image of cartoon character Speedy Gonzalez. What is this man up to? Who does he have in mind? Is the man planning to commit an act with a terrorist motive? We don’t know. We now choose to show the face unrecognizable, among other things because we do not have the absolute certainty that the face in the picture matches the real person hidden behind the profile. However, it is the overall picture with which this person expresses his intentions to murder and is therefore relevant to show the context.

We live in strange times. You can’t take risks, not even as journalists. We make a trade-off. If this man means what he says, people can be killed at any moment. Around 11:30 p.m. on Saturday evening, December 30, Facts Found contacts the local police of Zaventem, the place of residence that the man indicates on his Facebook profile. At the same time, one of our correspondents contacts the Dutch police, after which our correspondent receives a visit from the police at 01:00 in the night to obtain further information. The Facts Found editorial team shares its information with the Belgian police. That same night, the Dutch and Belgian police immediately started an investigation and the police forces communicated closely with each other. Even though the announcements of ruthless violence are written in black and white and the police said they were happy with the information received, at some point the editorial team gets the feeling that “we must not have warned the police for nothing, will we?”. Realizing that the period around New Year’s Eve is always very busy.

In order to allow the police to do their job during the busy days and to make the necessary observations ourselves in the meantime, we choose to contact the police in Zaventem again on Tuesday 2 January. She says through her spokeswoman that the investigation is in full swing, there is close cooperation with the Dutch colleagues, but that no arrest has yet been made and that the police can say little else.

The man in question, who goes by the name Said el Allouchi, says on his Facebook profile that he works at the indoor playground and entertainment park Legenturia, also in Zaventem. We contacted the management of this indoor amusement park where many children experience entertainment in school every day.

The board member, whose identity is known to the editors, but wishes to remain anonymous, informed us that shortly after Facts Found had contacted the police in Zaventem, he was approached by the police to inquire about the identity of this “Said”. The board member states that the person in question does not work at Legenturia and has not worked there. E-mail traffic in the hands of Facts Found shows that the management immediately after the announcement made attempts to get the true identity of this “Said” known. The board member states “we checked with our staff if anyone knew this person, the outcome was negative”. Clearly shaken and shocked, the board member openly continues: “Of course, we immediately cooperated with the police and the judiciary, this kind of evil must be eradicated root and branch”.

We kept wondering who this Said El Allouchi is? Why so much hatred and violence? We decided to approach this gentleman ourselves via Facebook messenger with a number of questions. However, there was no reply.

But does this gentleman live in Belgium? The man uses the word Dutch word “bajes” for prison, while in Flanders the prison is referred to as “d’n bak”.

At the very least, his list of friends on Facebook gives us the impression that the man has the most friends and acquaintances in the Netherlands. During the investigations into this man’s expressions, we noticed a number of things. Among other things, that there is a second Facebook profile of which the holder has many similarities both in terms of photo and name. All of a sudden, this profile is gone.

The profile of this Said El Allouchi is still active. On the 1st of January. at 6:01 p.m., this Said posted the message “fireworks with AK 47”.

But what struck us even more was a reaction of a certain Karine Kerssens to this Said that read “hahaha beware that trans doesn’t sting you”. Apparently, part of the conversation that we have in our hands is missing and the controversial posting turned out to be quickly removed.

In any case, it seems that we should interpret the word “trans” as “transgender”. We approached her, Karine Kerssens, via Facebook with a few questions. Around a quarter past four in the night, we were still working on this story, answers from the lady rolled in and we started the conversation. Karine Kerssen says she converted to Islam ten years ago of her own accord and, according to her activity in the group, has an affinity with the community, the majority of whose members have an Islamic background.

According to Kerssens, a certain transgender person in the group would have scolded, which made many members of the group “angry” at this transgender. When asked whether this was the direct cause of the “I’m going to stab someone” story, Kerssens could not answer. Kerssens describes himself as “I’m sometimes a hater myself” and continues: “I find it irritating when a transgender person behaves like that and has such an appointing behavior”. “They should know for themselves, only I believe in Adam and Eve, what someone does they should know for themselves”. “It’s not my life,” Kerssens concludes. When asked how she views all those hate speeches in Multiculturals together 4G+, Kerssens says: “Swearing doesn’t bother me, are just words but I do mind that we humans are so racist, omg (oh my God red-) I’m also talking about the non-non-Dutch, they can do something about it too”.

When asked how she views hatred from the perspective of her Islamic beliefs, Kerssens answers: “Look, no one can stop hate, so hate remains, don’t like it, you know, but I can’t do anything about it.” We tell Ms. Kerssen that reports have already been made to the police for hate speech on multiculturals in a 4G+ group. Kerssens responds: “I don’t know, then they could have intervened earlier and not let land open out of control like that”. To our remark that this is barbaric, Kerssen adds with a laugh: “it is not called multi for nothing and fake accounts are used”. When we suggest that the police can find out IP addresses, Kerssen replies: “Costs them (the police, red) too much effort.

Kerssens does write that the management removes people if it calls them to account for name-calling.” Kerssen makes a clear statement: “I always say: there will come a day when someone will be murdered by Multi”. (people from the Multiculturals group together 4G+). “There’s not much management can do about it, they’re doing their best.” “It’s intense,” Kerssens continues, “but how some people argue with each other, that’s about it.” “It’s happened a few times that someone has been caught from multi” (the Facebook group involved). Yes, fortunately, no one dies, you know, I’m just saying”.

Reading Karina Kessen, it turns out that the Facebook group Multculturelen samensamen G+ is an extremely explosive and barbaric group in which hatred and violence predominate. We are confirmed in this conclusion by the screenshot about an expression of a certain Leyana Bou, who publishes a Google map of the Municipality of Vilvoorde near Brussels with the text “Address of Transgender xxxxx, xxxxstraat, Vilvoorde, near Carrefour, and then writes “Make a big resolution and blow his head off”.

So it turns out that there is something going on in the group of Multiculturals gathered 4G+ about transgender people. We soon find out that there is a far-reaching bloodthirsty hate campaign going on in which transgender people become the object of (for the time being verbal) murderous lust.

We decided to put this Leyana Bou under a magnifying glass. There is some discussion in the Multiculturals group 4G+ whether this profile belongs to a man or a woman. In any case, given the texts and the way of writing, we come to the conclusion that it is a fake profile in which a suspected Moroccan man takes on the skin of a woman online and then, how ironic, to go wild on transgender people.

About his earlier posting, the man who works under the female alias of Leyana Bou says: “Okay, then out of respect and a little bit of sympathy for his mother, I removed his address anyway”. “In any case, he still needs to be dealt with, dirty transgender”. “I’m not saying everything ma……”.
In a subsequent posting, Bou continues “his” rant. “This dirty transgender wants to tell me that I’m being dangerous?, “Because I found out your name, where you live and why you’re trans he dirty gay guy from Kiel that used to……”.

This “Bou” turns out to be not only a transgender hater, but also a gay hater and later turns out to be an accomplished member of the Ku Klux Klan. His subsequent postings don’t lie. “Has it become a habit for our Moroccan women to support and compliment gays?” “Tfoe for all those gays and women” (Tfoe is Arabic for damn/damn -ed).” His next posting contains a purely racist question: “what do you think about a man and woman of different nationalities mixing?” “Light with dark……”. ” Bou” calmly continues his hate tirades in which he targets (Moroccan) women, gays, transgenders, dark-skinned people and Jews. His expressions are known and archived in the editorial office.

Time to ask this Leyanana Bou some questions from man to (posing as a woman and transgender hating) man.
We also approach this Leyana Bou by Facebook and ask him if “Bou” thinks it is normal to call on Facebook to kill someone and to make that person’s address details public. “Bou” in turn asks if we can show the posting what it is about.
We could and did this. The first answer we got was “good luck with your article”, after insisting if he doesn’t want to respond “Bou” proceeds to make the following comment: “Yes, all transgenders at the stake” . “Bou” continues: “Every person with a little bit of sense in this group also knows that it is not meant literally”. “I am still of the opinion that especially that person should be dealt with and not every trans but he does”, “Have you ever watched his lives, his behavior is unacceptable”. “Bou” concludes for now with “I honestly don’t have time for this, I only give interviews when I’m paid okay?, have a nice evening Mr. Journalist”. Nevertheless, we persist for a moment and say that we want to understand this “Mr. Bou” better. Again there is an answer and “Bou” contradicts himself. Where “Bou just said” that everyone who had a bit of sense in the group understood that it was only aimed at the transgender in question, “Bou” clearly states: “There is nothing to understand”. “I hate transgender people from the bottom of my heart”. “They have no respect for themselves nor for his/her parents, family, religion.” End of discussion”. When we ask if life wouldn’t be much better without hatred, “Bou” answers: “I don’t have time, have a nice evening”. Judging by the use of words, this “Mr. Bou” does not seem to be an uneducated illiterate, his hatred is no less.

A few minutes later we receive a Facebook message from a certain Hamza El, from Amsterdam, who depicts himself as a kickboxer on Facebook and says he has attended the Hervormd Lyceum West in Amsterdam. Hamza informs us unsolicited “All transgenders at the stake, children that they are”. “No respect at all”. “I think you’re a trans too,” he snaps at your reporter. “All transgenders at the stake”, hadn’t we just heard this literally from “Mr. Bou” pretending to be a woman on Facebook. The rumour that investigations are being carried out appears to be circulating. A short time later we also receive an unsolicited message from a Moroccan man with the Facebook name Tazaghine Imad alias Imad El Harchaoui who wishes to inform our editors the following: “Fuck all transformers, shitty identity crisis”. Another person with all hatred. We went to look further and the man says according to his Facebook account that he lives in Tilburg and works as a team leader at the care institution for the disabled, Stichting Prisma in Waalwijk. An environment in which you would not expect hatred, but rather warmth and charity.

Throughout all the pieces, we only encounter hate speech from mainly Moroccan and Turkish members of the group.
Some respondents make it even more rude than others. The transgender person involved, of presumably Moroccan origin, we spoke about earlier, is again put through the wringer by name in the group and wished death.

A number of women also seem to be fully participating in this. However, we received a response from a lady, a certain S.E., who does not wish to appear in the article with her full name. We don’t even know if this lady is real, if she actually exists and if it’s not a fake account, we don’t know either. S.E. voluntarily announced to us this week that she did not agree with the hate speech, she wanted to speak to us under the condition of anonymity. It had become known in the community that we were researching hate speech. The lady wanted to make it known that according to her, not all “Muslims/foreigners” as she literally wrote it to us, thought like this.

After reading the factual revelations about the gross anti-Semitism in the group in question that did Facts Found, she did not want to speak to us anymore. Duly noted. The lady thought the facts were “too one-sided”. The editors do not know what other aspects of hate speech have than the hatred that was expressed.
The hatred that we are now denouncing in this piece is also quite clear.

We show you various conversations from the group Multiculturals together 4 G+ from which you can draw your own conclusions:

Our attention is drawn to a certain Cirpaci Musa.
This man writes the word “Funeral Pyre” with an emphasized plural “d” in the word (see screenshot above).

This gentleman says that he would study at the Al Islah institute in Lochem, Gelderland. An Islamic boarding school located on the wooded Ampsenweg in this municipality where an asylum seekers’ center used to be located. In 2013, attention was already drawn to this private Islamic boarding school, because according to the Dutch current affairs program 1Vandaag this boarding school would preach Salafism or Wahhabism.
(see screenshot at line preceded by red arrow)

1Vandaag also carefully substantiates her findings. Wahhabism, an extremely conservative movement within Islam, about which the Dutch intelligence service AIVD already reported in 2013 that this movement would be disruptive to Dutch society. Wahhabism is a movement that originated in the ultra-conservative and fundamentalist Saudi Arabia. Despite the questions that have been raised about this private boarding school for years, the organization with the legal form of a foundation has stated on its website that they have received the ANBI status from the Dutch tax authorities, which means that donations are fully tax deductible. An ANBI status for foundations can be granted by the tax authorities if the Dutch tax authorities are of the opinion that a foundation is of public benefit. It seems that Islamic extremism is indirectly financed with Dutch taxpayers’ money.

Musa’s Facebook profile shows a photo of a devout Muslim studying and the background photo shows the Ka’bah in Mecca. Cirpaci Musa says he lives in Leeuwarden in the Netherlands via his Facebook profile. Musa responds in the group of multiculturals gathered 4G+ to someone who opens a topic with a question whether homosexuals are kafirs (apostates or infidels -ed). Musa, invoking Islamic teachings, explains that homosexuality is punishable by law, but being gay is not, and that anyone who abstains from sodomy has not committed an act of unbelief. A few sentences later, Musa says: “If you do commit such an act, I will be very happy to throw you off the roof. Musa apparently invokes Sharia law and then states: “Homosexuality is punishable (in Sharia -ed) if the act has been carried out and it is time that it also comes here in the Netherlands”. “I’m tired of the dogs” (referring to people who practice their homosexuality -ed). “Just study Sharia law,” concludes Cirpaci Musa.